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Attendance (11): Adam Page, Bruce Bailey, Baldino Morelli, Dan Bjorge, Ken Franqueiro, Mike Gower, Gundula Niemann, Scott O'Hara, Lori Oakley, Giacomo Petri, Francis Storr, Filippo Zorzi
Regrets: Patrick Lauke, Alastair Campbell
- WCAG 2.x Issues on AGWG agenda for Tuesday, Sep 23
- Congratulations on milestone 500 matters dealt with!
- WCAG 2 proposed changes (review by Sep 30) are copied below
- AGWG charter extended to April, everything copasetic and business as usual.
- Please be on the lookout for TPAC email soliciting feedback on proposed sessions.
- Informal discussion on addressing what AGWG means by "audio description", then our standing agenda.
- Ken provided an overview of Remove unnecessary code class and pre xml:space attributes from informative docs #4611 closed and splitting into additional PRs.
- Implementing an updated version of highlight.js explored, but turns not to work as well as one might presumed. Code highlighting was not providing color background in a reliable or meaningful way, and were often arbitrary. Ken will be exploring more. Dan noted that in his experience, sufficient color contrast can be an issue with newly released updated version. See Ken's comment for additional detail.
- Add missing highlight.js overrides and upgrade highlight.js is one example of the related work.
- Patrick is working on improving presentation of scroll bar (and that work will also be moved to a different PR).
- Briefly discussed The same success criterion is presented in About this Technique as an other example of an Issue which is expected to be addressed by Ken's work in the near term. Kept in For Discussion.
- 4547 Updating F1. Discussed previously. Moved to Ready for Approval.
- 4545 G65 Breadcrumbs position. Discussed previously, Giacomo wants to cite to APG (or at least paraphrase) and/or file issue against APG. Arial label is problematic from an internationalization perspective. Giacomo noted that even the word "breadcrumb" requires translation. Moved to Ready for approval. Giacomo asked to file new issue in our repo or elsewhere.
- Spatial Navigation to Bypass Blocks closed as commenter agreed with response provided (as not widely available, and spec is not mature, it isn't suitable as a technique).
- 4534 Aria 11 reviewed, moved to Ready for Approval.
- 4546 minor technical editorial correction to ARIA21 examples using email. Moved to Ready for approval.
- 4530 update to F81 clarifying reference to difference in luminosity, aligning with G183. Moved to Ready for approval.
- 1643 touched upon but not discussed, as thread was too long for time remains.
- 4533 briefly discussed change to Understanding Time Based Media. Noted confusing with use of "short name" (undefined term) rather than just "name" or "label" or "title". Stays in Drafted.
- Mike working on a survey questionnaire for AGWG to facilitate movement on thorny interpretations of SC, not the least of which is Audio Description, and possible changes. We have a few other class 3 changes in the queue.
- Survey will be shared with TF before going to WG.
- Mike shared very draft version of questions. Trigger words: claims, asserts, thinks, believes
- Tension between should/could/aught.
- Different understanding of meaning for "audio description"
- WAI/WCAG22 is essentially a 404, but that's a future topic.
Changes that meaningfully add or alter existing non-normative guidance.
- Update non-text contrast for caret styling #4524
- Add security mention to Timing Adjustable and tweak Re-Authentication #4382
- Technique ARIA14: Replacing “invisible label” with “accessible name” #4482
Small improvements to language intended to clarify existing guidance.
- Text spacing - Addressed the concern that Japanese does have words #4542
- Reintroduced "structure" and "presentation" terms #4538
- Add "label in name" note to ARIA8 technique #4529
- 1.3.4 Orientation - Update Example 5: Piano App #4528
- Remove aspirational mention of techniques update frequency #4566
- SVR1: Update links #4578
- Tweak caption for target size minimum #4560
Items for which we are not going to create a PR.
These are already incorporated trivial editorial and technical corrections such as typos and broken links.